Topics: SA Creationist Paradise, Bishop Tutu, Ken Ham, Abiogenesis
Recorded 24/02/2011 (Not yet recorded/posted… expect the podcast on Sunday)
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South Africa: Creationist paradise
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Soo’s reply to Mike Meadon:
Let me start my response with a quote from the link Mr Meadon referred us to, an article posted in Neurologica blog by Steven Novella (http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=228) :
“So why, then, has NLP persisted for 30 years despite all the evidence against it? I think this reflects an endemic problem within the mental health field. Part of the problem is that the field is very broad, with multiple parallel professions, including psychiatry, clinical psychology, social work, and counseling. Also, within each profession there are multiple theories and traditions, many mutually exclusive. The degree of dedication to science and evidence-based practice is also highly variable. The bottom line is that, although there is a great deal of legitimate science within the mental health field, in practice it is rife with pseudoscience and nonsense.”
This. Yes… let me start by loudly agreeing with this.
And then let me share a quote from Dr Paul Tosey and Dr Jane Mathison, from the University of Surrey from their paper A CRITICAL NATURAL HISTORY OF NEURO-LINGUISTIC PROGRAMMING (http://www.nlpresearch.org/) :
“But accounts of NLP are often problematic, relying either upon the marketing hype of those with commercial interests in its promulgation, or upon the polemic of its fiercest critics. There is little evidence of dialogue between practitioners and academics, and the two main examples of scholarly books of which we are aware, Esser ( 2004) and Walker (1996), are not published in the English language.”
And that. Let me continue by loudly agreeing, with that.
I have been tempted, on occasion, to exorcise the letters NLP from my business cards and website. The term itself appears to be deliberately constructed to cause offence to the mental health field – ‘programming’? Really? I suspect it may have been provocational, and a bit of a boast, and there is certainly evidence to support that. I have discovered something very clever, and I want to have a dig at the established mental health community who stand to lose a lot of money from the discovery. Sure. There is that… but
I am a coach and a counselor. My goal is to help people improve their lives, and to overcome obstacles (both real and imagined) and traumas (both real and imagined). In my toolbox you will find traditional therapy – hang on.. What the hell even is ‘traditional therapy”.. oh.. That’s the stuff I learnt through rubber stamped channels like University, then I sometimes use reframing techniques (an NLP technique) which I learnt at a coaching workshop, and I also use chicken soup, placebo’s, kind words, pats on the back and the occasional smile and hug.
I am confident, through personal evaluation of existing research that large portions of NLP are sound, and have been tested and evaluated through recognized channels. I am also confident, that many other portions ARE NOT.
At the same time, I see researchers scrabbling to address the problem, the work of Dr Tosey & Dr Mathison, would be an example, as they seek to :
“1.Support the emergence of an NLP research community, and build bridges for increased dialogue between academic and practitioner communities.
2. Develop a critical appraisal of the field.
3. Further our work on transformative learning and teaching (which has applications to coaching and mentoring)” (note tenses changed from original text)
Research using empirical procedures! Dialogue with the academic community! Yes! THAT! As Heap (a known critic of NLP) has said: “There is just no other way of doing this” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming).
So sure, some of it is unproven, and will be revealed as bollocks, long exaggerated and embraced by the pseudoscience community. Some… and this is honestly my view… will not.
So here’s how I handle it. I choose to use the experimental unproven medicine of NLP in situations where I believe it is warranted. I have seen it work. Is that a cry of Placebo! I hear from the back row? Yes maybe… but that would make me no different from any other practitioner. If I am not sure of some of it and I still continue to use it, does that make me a charlatan? Well, if you believe that the administering of a placebo to a trusting client without them knowing it is a crime, then perhaps you might believe that. Of course we all understand this is the only way it works.
This is a long discussion, and this is a podcast Mr. Meadon, so… here is what I suggest. If it’s worth a rumble discussion… NLP… or even untested therapy techniques generally, should they be used, is this ethical… even if they work? Should they be used before the jury is out? Then let’s do it. I stand at the ready.
In the meantime, I can email you this response, and we can have a bit of fun hashing it out.
Links (related to references I have made in this response) :
Bishop Tutu and cradle of life
Ken Ham and his dumb-ass museum
In natural science, abiogenesis (pronounced /ˌeɪbaɪ.ɵˈdʒɛnɨsɪs/ AY-by-oh-JEN-ə-siss) or biopoesis is the study of how biological life arises from inorganic matter through natural processes, and the method by which life on Earth arose. Most amino acids, often called “the building blocks of life”, can form via natural chemical reactions unrelated to life, as demonstrated in the Miller–Urey experiment and similar experiments that involved simulating some of the conditions of the early Earth in a laboratory. In all living things, these amino acids are organized into proteins …
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