Episode #12

 

Topics: Prophecy, End of the world, Deon and Basil Sing

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Recorded 19/05/2011

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Murraybuscuit on Hitler’s church tax policy…

In terms of nazism and church tax, hitler’s strategy was to manufacture moral consent for his intiatives by controlling the purse-strings of the clergy. this was more easily done with protestantism, which had a german locus, whereas authority over the catholic church came from rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

the nazis signed the reichskonkordat with the vatican, allowing the clergy reprieve from miliary service and political involvement, for the cost of them pledging allegiance to the nazi government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

there was a fair amount of opposition from both catholic and protestant circles, which eventually waned over time. it’s difficult to take a moral stand against a wave of popular opinion and a state which controls your salary.

this is why church, state and taxes don’t go together.

 

Semantic

Prophecy

Prophecy is a process in which one or more messages that have been communicated to a true prophet[1] are then communicated to others by this true prophet. Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of conditioned events to come (cf. divine knowledge) as well as testimonies or repeated revelations that the world is divine.[citation needed] The process of prophecy especially involves reciprocal communication of the true prophet with the (divine) source of the messages. Mere claimants of foreknowledge of future events, like fortunetellers, oracles, seers, diviners or apocalyptic authors, are not considered true prophets.[citation needed]

Various concepts of prophecy are found throughout all of the world’s religions and cults. To a certain degree prophecy can be an integral concept within any religion or cult. The term has found deep usage in two of the world’s largest religious groups, Christianity and Islam, along with many others.[2]

 
 

Pasted from <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy>

 

Statistic

Statistical probability supports the Bibles reliability. The Statistical probability that any or all of the Bible’s very specific, detailed prophecies could have been fulfilled through chance, good guessing, or deliberate deceit is null.

The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years by 40 different human authors in 3 different languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek), on hundreds of subjects. And yet there is one consistent, noncontradictory theme that runs through it all: God’s redemption of humankind. Clearly, Statistical probability is a powerful indicator of the trustworthiness of Scripture.

Peter Stoner found that just taking 8 of the over 300 prophecies “…We find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all 8 prophecies is 1 in 10 to the 17th power.” That is 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. And that is just taking in account 8 of the 300 prophecies.

The statistical verdict is that the Bible is the Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of God, just as Scripture predicted many times and in many ways.

 

Pasted from <http://jefflcsw.com/Statistics.aspx>

 

News & Retard

Harold Egbert Camping (born July 19, 1921) is a Christian radio broadcaster[1] and president of Family Radio, a California-based religious broadcasting network that spans more than 150 outlets in the United States as well as a website.

Camping’s trademarks include his deep, sonorous voice coupled with a slow cadence. He has also used mathematical predictions applied to the Bible to predict dates for the end of the world.[2] His current end times prediction is that the Rapture will be on May 21, 2011 and that God will completely destroy the Earth and the universe five months later on October 21.[3][4] He had previously predicted that the Rapture would occur in September 1994.[5]

Camping has gained recent[when?] notoriety due to his prediction that the Christian Rapture will take place on May 21, 2011[29][30] and that the end of the world will take place five months later on October 21, 2011.[31] Followers of Camping claim that around 200 million people (approximately 3% of the world’s population) will be raptured.[32] As for the remainder of the human population, Camping himself believes in annihilationism, which is the view that those who are not saved will simply cease to be conscious rather than spend eternity in Hell. Those who were “unsaved” and died prior to May 21 will not be affected by or experience the Rapture or the end of the world.

 
 

Pasted from <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping>

 
 

 

Crazy Talk

Embracing Darwinism and Belief in Naturalism would Require Believing:

  • Nothing Produces Everything
  • Non-Life Produces Life
  • Randomness Produces Fine-Tuning
  • Chaos Produces Information
  • Unconsciousness Produces Consciousness
  • Non-Reason Produces Reason

From The Case for Creator by Lee Stroble

Pasted from <http://jefflcsw.com/Darwinism.aspx>

 

Quote

A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.

Bertrand Russell
British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 – 1970)

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6 responses to “Episode #12”

  1. woodelfman says :

    Hey folk. Join the movement to hold Harold Camping accountable for fraud. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Harold-Camping-is-a-Fraud-who-should-be-SUED/189508354430272

  2. murraybiscuit says :

    in case you haven’t seen it before, here’s a video that really encapsulates my thoughts around prophecy, astrology and psychics.

    it’s derren brown’s rendition of the forer effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect

    he employs cold reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading) and relies on subjective validation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_validation) of his audience to internalize and draw meaning between his unrelated suggestions.

    to enhance the effect, he relies on a well used recipe: suggests predictable crises, hides questions within statements, flatters his audience, focuses on predictions that hit and deflects ones that miss, empathises with the audience and sets himself as an authority figure.

    http://www.skeptic.com/downloads/10_Easy_Psychic_Lessons.pdf

    • James says :

      Derren Brown is awesome – and his sceptical stuff is the best. Also check-out his TV special “Messiah” where he travels to the USA and, through tricks, convinces “professionals” in a particular pseudoscience that he is the real deal. He makes predictions for one person claiming he was visited by aliens and given mental powers and he gives psychic readings to others claiming he had psychic powers from a young age. Very good show.

  3. James says :

    Hi Guys,

    I really enjoyed the sing-along. It’s kinda sad the world didn’t end after that rousing rendition of R.E.M.

    🙂

  4. Basil says :

    James we have to have you as a guest, (guys can we?) you are my favourite skeptic and you are a Marvel fan. Can you sing? he he he.

    Watched the Darren Brown clip and a few others, thank you for the links and mention.

    • James says :

      Thanks Basil. It will be tough making the time to record the podcast on a Thursday night. At the moment I’m very busy with work and I’m billing insane hours every month. Just getting home before 9 is a big achievement.

      But I think our mutual friend Murray would be an awesome guest. He represents the position of scientific scepticism very well and has a far deeper understanding of religion than I have. Not sure of his Marvel/DC position though. 😛

      And singing is always out of the question … I might be able to manage a duet with Rebecca Black but that’s about the only person in the world who I know I can sing better than – but not by much, 😉

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